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Well articulated and I tend to agree with most of what defines haute horology, innovation etc. and the overall thoughts being presented. While rarity and luxury can coexist and often do. I depart in scarcity being a requirement of luxury. The rare nature can be a by product of the other tenants mentioned in the article, even a constraint if you will by the process. But the constraints can be overcome and that would not change the nature of the products innovation, craftsmanship, artistry, etc… only its quantity. Status and value due to scarcity are correlated, but they are not attributes of luxury. That is a false attribute sold by advertisers and embraced by collectors because rarity can matter in collecting. Think of trading cards, a scare card in good condition is valuable to the collecting world, even selling for millions of dollars. It is not luxury, it has none of the hallmarks stated in the article of innovation, quality, craftsmanship or a pusuit of mastery and perfection. It is a cardboard card with an image printed on it, sold at a convenience store. It is rare, it commands a high price. It is not “haute” in any way.

The Calatrava 5227J from PP is a well made, finely finished, luxury watch. It is not however the same as the finishing and haute horology of the Chronometre Souverain Havana (my color of choice for CS) by F.P. Journe. The 5227J is also not the same haute horological art as a marquetry piece from PP’s rare handcrafts either. Both are Patek’s but they are not the same level. They have a different audience and convey a different level of craftsmanship and artistry. Innovation may not be present at typical 5227J but it is in the Fortissimo. We cannot look at a manufacturer with a catalog of 128 different models and say they are all the same. If the world of horology was filled with watchmakers who were all George Danniels and Francois-Paul Journe etc.. we would perhaps not recognize them. The genius, the true legends at the highest levels have dedicated themselves to their game, to their craft. We collect their works not because of the rarity of the work, but because of what it represents to us. The essence imbued in the watch. Be it the dedicate hands that crafted a dial that could hang in any gallery or the decorated movement that captures your attention as loose track of time while you gaze in admiration.

I am with you 97%. Rarity is a dangerous game to play, in absolute terms Patek is rare, any Patek is rare, making up only 0.002 of watches produced globally. With any particular model in the catalogue being 0.000017% of watches made annually. So in absolute terms they are rare. Rolex is a luxury watch so is Omega, they are not haute horology and they are vastly more common than a Patek or Lange or an. F.P Journe. But F.P Journe on the other hand is 90X more common and not rare compared to a Philippe Dufour in relative terms. That does not change the exquisite nature, the haute horology that you so aptly described of the F.P. Journe, especially the Chronometre Souverain Havana that needs to join the collection as some point and time.

I hope I have conveyed my thoughts correctly on this. This was a fantastic read, great food for thought. I will keep the hours spent writing and sorting my thoughts on this subject matter to myself. It was a great thought provoking article that had me personally exploring with many drafts and versions of how to better define luxury and haute horology. There are levels and tiers to luxury. So thank you for the thought provoking article that forced some deep thought and defining of items for myself. It only makes me a better collector and enthusiast when my thinking is refined.

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Thad's avatar

Not sure how you argue this, but I'm going to think about it and the middle ground you mention. Simulacrum, that's a big boy word I've never encountered before. Cheers 🥂

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