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A friend of mine has read this newsletter and wants me to share his recent back and forth with ClaudeLLM albeit anonymously.

This is highly relevant and supportive of the findings on LLM watch research you explored this week with "A Watch Critic" here:

https://substack.com/home/post/p-209696980

My friend came across a GPHG nominee and that caused him to look up a company with which he had no prior familiarity.

He asked Claude causally:

"Do you have any bad reports on [redacted] watches. They seem to be an homage company."

He got a brief response and then added a URL for the brand and got more feedback.

"Good thing you sent the actual link — this is a different company entirely from what I found in my last search, and worth being clear about that distinction so you don't conflate them.

[Redacated] is a real, apparently legitimate independent watchmaking brand, not a homage/replica seller. [Redacted two lines of text]

The brand has multiple official entries in the GPHG (Grand Prix d'Horlogerie de Genève) for 2025 and 2026 — that's a legitimate, respected industry competition, and being an accepted entrant is a real signal they're producing genuine, juried watchmaking rather than running a marketing shell. Their lineup [Redacted] reads as original in-house design work, not copies of established luxury models — so "homage" may not be the right label here; this looks more like an independent microbrand playing in complicated/high-concept watchmaking.

His response:

"DUDE you can pay you way into GPHG. That is not right. [Redacted] is using it as an advertisement. Don't believe the hype"

Claude

You're right, and that's a fair correction — I shouldn't have treated

"GPHG entrant" as a credibility signal.

Confirmed: entering the GPHG is essentially pay-to-play at the submission stage. Any brand can enter "spontaneously" via their digital platform, and it costs CHF 800 per watch just to submit — that's it, no vetting gate before that point. Only if a watch gets preselected does another CHF 7,000 fee kick in, and even that's about advancing through their process, not a stamp of quality or endorsement. Being listed as an "entrant" just means [Redacted] paid the fee and submitted — it says nothing about whether the watch is any good, and it's a meaningfully weaker signal than I implied.

So scrap that part of my read. Slapping "2026 GPHG Entrant" badges across a product page, like [redacted] does on nearly every model, is a marketing move that leans on the prestige of the GPHG name without actually requiring the brand to have earned anything yet - being a nominee or winner would mean something; being an entrant does not.

That leaves the actual evidence I have on [redacted] a lot thinner than I made it sound:

[Redacted paragraph]"

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I'm sharing this here to say that it's clear from this SDC post and from the co-post with A Watch Critic at https://substack.com/home/post/p-209696980 and from Chris Hall's writing at https://www.thefourthwheel.co.uk/p/issue-216-what-the-gphg-longlist that the GPHG long list is being used as a launch pad by some brands who would otherwise not get any attention.

As I commented on Chris's newsletter, I'll accept the pay for play aspect as it brings awareness to deserving microbrands and watchmakers, and I cited the specific case of Tristan Ho of Loth watches, for whom the GPHG entry has provided much fodder for use on social media.

That's the good part of the long list. The other side of the same coin is as real as the patina on a dial of a vintage watch found in a stall on the Portobello Road Market.

The GPHG is played by by some brands who wear their nominee badge as a medal of honor, yet they are no more indicative of merit than the ribbons on the left chest of a uniform of a 1980's Soviet general. Impressive visual display at first glance, but of less utility than the plumage of a male peacock working to mount their next unsuspecting mate. With data such as yours, A Watch Critic's, and Chris Hall's, perhaps we enthusiast can mitigate the amount of thrusts we get from watch brands.

Cheers

TheFamilysTime's avatar

You’ve confirmed it. What I didn’t get excited about and just rolled my eyes at is still nothing t9 excited about and still gets my eye roll. Unless it’s a game like the one from couple years back where the SDC community had to pick category winners and explain why. That game made my eyes bleed if recall that year by the time I was done. 😂. I jest. But only a bit. Pay to play and jury’s with hands in the cookie jar make the GPGH an organization that’s tough to put any faith or stock in. I do appreciate the dissection of the data.

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